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	<title>Comments on: BitLocker, FileVault, dm-crypt, and TrueCrypt all hacked</title>
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		<title>By: Seymour Butz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seymour Butz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But you granted the consent to search. Before the police finished their search the encryption interrupted the search. Therefore, since you already consented to a search, they are allowed to request your password as part of the continuing search.

I don&#039;t know the specifics of this case but the aforementioned seems extremely likely, and I&#039;ve never, ever heard of someone giving consent to the search and then being able to revoke that consent before the search is complete. You can say yes or no, not yes then no. In fact by saying yes then no the police are likely to use the &quot;suspicious behavior&quot; loophole to continue the search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you granted the consent to search. Before the police finished their search the encryption interrupted the search. Therefore, since you already consented to a search, they are allowed to request your password as part of the continuing search.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the specifics of this case but the aforementioned seems extremely likely, and I&#8217;ve never, ever heard of someone giving consent to the search and then being able to revoke that consent before the search is complete. You can say yes or no, not yes then no. In fact by saying yes then no the police are likely to use the &#8220;suspicious behavior&#8221; loophole to continue the search.</p>
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		<title>By: d</title>
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		<dc:creator>d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes you can revoke. it&#039;s called a CONSENT to search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes you can revoke. it&#8217;s called a CONSENT to search.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim March</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim March</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 08:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To defeat this attack, don&#039;t use standby mode if you&#039;re transporting your rig anywhere it might be at risk.  Crossing international borders is the number one worst.

There&#039;s another &quot;attack&quot; out there.  In one recent case, a guy crossing the border into the US let cops see his data.  They thought (right or wrong, I don&#039;t know) that there was &#039;questionable content&#039; on there.  Somehow the machine got turned off, and had hardcore encryption in place.  So they went to court and a judge signed off on a subpoena forcing the guy to give up his password, on the basis that once he&#039;d given permission to search he couldn&#039;t revoke it.

And a Federal appeals court (I *think* the Second Circuit in New York?) upheld this.

So: we cannot ever give law enforcement in the US permission to search our disks as we can&#039;t revoke it later.

Fortunately, this is the sole exception I&#039;m aware of to the US 5th Amendment right not to give up your password voluntarily.  So in the US, you don&#039;t have to hide the fact that you&#039;re doing encryption as you cannot be held in jail until you cough it up.

In too many other countries, the real risk is &quot;rubber hose decryption&quot; - passwords extracted via torture.  If there&#039;s ANY risk of that, and so far I&#039;m willing to say there isn&#039;t in the USofA, you have to go to either hidden encryption, or double layer where they &quot;force&quot; one password out of you not knowing there&#039;s another layer.  The TrueCrypt documentation covers these cases.

I&#039;m in the US and doing whole-disk &quot;in your face&quot; encryption through DM-Crypt (Ubuntu Linux alternate install CD).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To defeat this attack, don&#8217;t use standby mode if you&#8217;re transporting your rig anywhere it might be at risk.  Crossing international borders is the number one worst.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s another &#8220;attack&#8221; out there.  In one recent case, a guy crossing the border into the US let cops see his data.  They thought (right or wrong, I don&#8217;t know) that there was &#8216;questionable content&#8217; on there.  Somehow the machine got turned off, and had hardcore encryption in place.  So they went to court and a judge signed off on a subpoena forcing the guy to give up his password, on the basis that once he&#8217;d given permission to search he couldn&#8217;t revoke it.</p>
<p>And a Federal appeals court (I *think* the Second Circuit in New York?) upheld this.</p>
<p>So: we cannot ever give law enforcement in the US permission to search our disks as we can&#8217;t revoke it later.</p>
<p>Fortunately, this is the sole exception I&#8217;m aware of to the US 5th Amendment right not to give up your password voluntarily.  So in the US, you don&#8217;t have to hide the fact that you&#8217;re doing encryption as you cannot be held in jail until you cough it up.</p>
<p>In too many other countries, the real risk is &#8220;rubber hose decryption&#8221; &#8211; passwords extracted via torture.  If there&#8217;s ANY risk of that, and so far I&#8217;m willing to say there isn&#8217;t in the USofA, you have to go to either hidden encryption, or double layer where they &#8220;force&#8221; one password out of you not knowing there&#8217;s another layer.  The TrueCrypt documentation covers these cases.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in the US and doing whole-disk &#8220;in your face&#8221; encryption through DM-Crypt (Ubuntu Linux alternate install CD).</p>
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		<title>By: Government encrypted laptop purchased on ebay &#124; Security Extra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Government encrypted laptop purchased on ebay &#124; Security Extra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the encryption easier to crack these days (see this post), are you worried about your data showing up in some odd place like ebay for all to see?   Spread [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the encryption easier to crack these days (see this post), are you worried about your data showing up in some odd place like ebay for all to see?   Spread [...]</p>
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